Board Thread:Respawnables Discussion/@comment-24796871-20150813210247/@comment-24796871-20150814075302

Yarrrr wrote: I still consider Respawnables as a pay 2 win game.

Let's look at each event (That's when it started to become pay 2 win).


 * Easter Egg Hunt - Easter Bunny set that skips 3 tiers and helped the user collect eggs faster and avoid easter grenade ability. Guaranteed egg drops is by using Super Easter Grenades which costs gold, so the user is forced to buy more gold
 * Hand Grenade Fest (1st and 2nd) - Anti-Explosive set that skips 3 tiers and prevents grenades from killing them easily. Best grenade (Super/Ultra Grenade) uses gold and money respectively.
 * Road to Glory - Spec Ops set that skips 3 tiers.
 * Summer Camp - Close Quarters set that skips 3 tiers and helps the user in week 1
 * Ghostbusters 30th - Ghostbusters set that skips 3 tiers and helps the user to locate ghosts, reduce energy damage and no slow down from weapons. The most effective weapons for points require gold and money
 * Monster Mash - Warlock + Monster set that skips 6 tiers and helps the user do specific tiers. Shadow Hunter set to allow the user to do any tier and kill anyone for the tier.
 * Ninja Path - Cyber Ninja set that skips 3 tiers and gives rank points per kill.
 * Chinese New Year - Chinese Armor pack that multiplies points by 10x.
 * Easter Egg Hunt 2 - Easter Bunny set that skips 3 tiers and helps the user. Warrior bunny set that has better abilities than Easter Bunny.
 * Earth Day - ASP armor and Shockwave launcher that multiplies points by 10 and 5 respectively (15 in total). The best energy weapons that multiplies points costs gold and money
 * Salute Our Troops - Spec Ops set that skips 3 tiers
 * Summer Camp 2 - Close Quarters set that skips 3 tiers and helps the user in trial 1. Has Road Warrior set that resists all weapons used in trial 1, 2 and 3. Has a bundle that gives one of the best weapons for each trial.

If you look at all of them, 10 out of 13 events requires the paid bundles for a decent player to complete it due to the amount of benefits from them and how difficult it is.

Yes, we all complete it with the best of our abilities, but that does not mean it is not considered pay 2 win. Even though events aren't meant to be completed by everyone, the ones who aren't skilled cannot do it but if they have those bundles, they will.

But, in my opinion, I would consider the game pay2win since it includes bundle-exclusive items which most of it benefit players in events. Did you also know that there are MORE event + paid weapons than cash/gold weapons? Yes, so that means freemium players are very limited in weaponry, and most of them do not compete with most of the paid/event weapons.

Ok first off, Easter Egg Hunt was the first event meaning that people were interested in it straight away. Super Grenades guaranteed a instant egg drop but that doesn't mean people were forced to buy them because it was their own choice to buy more gold or even the easter bunny set which you could get in the event, I myself got to the second last tier just by using grenades. Hand Grenade Fest included the Anti Exlplosive Gear which does still have a problem with grenades. Ultra grenades can inflict heavy damage to a user of the gear using the full set even though only 40% of the damage is inflicted. Again, you did not have to buy loads of gold for super grenades or ultra grenades to win as there were plenty of other enemies to kill who didn't use this OP armour. Road to Glory, despite having the option to buy the set doesn't mean you had an advantage. I don't believe the set actually came with the Automatic Shotgun itself. Summer Camp 1 was simply amazing. But even in week 1 it was incredibly simple. Blunderbuss users were there sure but barely anyone bought the CQ set. Even if some did, people with the DBSG would equip the legs and in 2 shots from their shotgun they would kill the guy with the full CQ set. Not really OP right is it? Ghostbusters Event was a blast as well. It introduced event exclusive enemies as well as the infamous Marshmallow Man mini boss. But think about it, the best weapon was in fact the zap gun which you could get easily if you played a lot. It gave so much ectoplasm. Plus you could get the same gear for free so why buy it? You could still easily find ghosts. Monster Mash was pretty much the last straw for me. I stopped buying bundles after I bought all three. But even still, you are not forced as you can easily beat the event due to the amount of time it had as well as the fact that you could use any weapon. You just had to read each tier to find out which side you were on. The ninja event, oh that one... I bought that bundle too :( But basically, you can still win as specific actions got you rank points. Wearing the Speedrun head which costed gold, gave you 15 points per kill compared to the cyber ninja head's 30 points per kill. You could still win without paying. Chinese New Year event, jesus I hated that event... Basically it was a near impossible event. I got close to completing Tier 8 but I simply did not have enough time due to exams. It was an event which was active at the wrong time for me, but anyway you still had a choice to buy it. You weren't forced to since you could still win it despite difficulty. Plus these armours aren't exactly pay to win armours. Sure the Red Hero Armour is the AE suit but with 21% agility, he has literally no health so don't use explosives and you'll kill him easily. Black Hero Armour, 35% health basically nerfs the flare to a two shot kill. Even still, if you have any gold weapons or cash weapons, stun him and then kill him simple. White Hero Armour was a weird armour. But still it didn't make you win as with the other two armours, use any weapon that is considered good so a cash weapon or gold and you'll beat all three if you enable your smart thinking caps. Ok so, by then I didn't buy any bundles so I was perfectly fine. The warrior bunny set made no difference, it helped them in the event sure but outside the event? No, there are literally no users who use the set now. It didn't give them a huge advantage either, as soon as someone got the easter bunny legs they were on their way to beating the event. I had no trouble with completing the event with gold and cash weapons. I used a few event weapons maybe, but I mostly went for gold weapons which through beating missions and farming elite enemies if quite easy to get. I do have the double gold booster though but you can still get plenty of gold without it also. Earth Day event, this event was interesting but difficult. Even still, I was using the Dual Energy Pistols. They cost yes, but if you had the zap gun you could still do decently I guess. Plasma Shotgun was a good weapon as well, close range as well meaning that I got killed many times. The really suckish gold weapon now what's it called? Airsoft Gun, this weapon even though it did badly damage wise gave you the chance to get 5 times the amount of points. Even though this event was tricky, the game was not pay to win. If you bought the bundle then you clearly had a huge advantage but you could still do fine in the event without buying the expensive bundle. Salute Our Troops, this event was simple you did not have to buy any bundle not even the Shock Fore Kit. Sure it gives the player extra damage when using any shotgun yay, oh but guess what every explosive will literally wreck him so why did you buy the bundle? Oh because it looked cool? Well think again before you assume too much. Summer Camp 2, alright I've had enough. All this about all these pathetic bundles, seriously?! This Road Biker Set, who cares? Sure it protects you free weapons in trials 1,2 and 3 but what about trial 4? Now they're in trouble. The other bundle that gave players the quote "best" weapons for each trial? No they are not. Hunter Shotgun has the best range sure, but guess what you can beat without the Hunter Shotgun. Trial 2 then, so you have the thumper but guess what plenty of people would of got the AE armour in Hand Grenade Fest 2. They can easily use the Missile Launcher which barely cost any gold previously before it was put into enough bundle. Scoped Rocket Launcher costs cash but it's easy to get cash and also it's the bazooka times 3 in ammo and firepower. Sure it's the same damage maybe but the missile launcher also has the same damage. The Thumper was easy to get but the Thumper is not the "best" weapon neither is the DBC. I didn't even need to use the Thumper that much because I used the Bazooka through Tiers 1-3 and then the Misile Launcher and Scoped in Tier 5 since I already had the CQ Set for free in the previous Summer Camp because it was super easy with cash weapons or gold weapons, and then Tier 6 I mixed it up with the Thumper maybe 2/5 games. Trial 3 is sniping, so in any case the bundle gives you the Hunter Rifle. It isn't the best sniper guys, Anti Material Sniper is damage wise but you can still do well with the Bolt Action Sniper. I got maybe 9-2 with the Bolt Action Sniper against people with explosives. Sure maybe it isn't a staggering score to be afraid about but this was with the Bolt Action Sniper, think about what it could do in the hands of a pro, then people should be feeling guilty about spending there money on this game. The Hunter Rifle isn't even a complete one shot kill sniper so during reloading you will get headshotted for sure. Ok, so that's literally all the different events put into perspective for you guys, but think for a second. Just what makes someone skillfully at this game? Is it buying all these bundles? No, if they buy a bundle then it means one of two things: 1. They want to support the developers, which I like. Or 2. They are sucked in to buying it because they immediately go for the excuse, "ahh, this game is pay to win, without the armour or weapon I can't compete". You bloody well can compete you just need to think. Be smart and play tactically. Sure it seems that game doesn't require tactics, oh but it does. Don't you ever stop and think before you pick another weapon to use during a match? Because if you did, then it means you're putting together a strategy, you're deciding which weapon is best for the particular situation. Even if you randomly choose a weapon to use in game, it means you've decided to change how you would like to play the match. Also guys, don't forget about the cash and gold weapons... Just because someone says that this weapon is weak against this event weapon doesn't mean that it is. Cash weapons have always been good to players. Revolver is a cash weapon but it is still powerful, zap gun is a cash weapon weapon but it is still powerful and in fact deals more damage than the proton gun which costs a ridiculous amount of money so keep that in mind. Scoped Rocket Launcher is powerful because it has 3 rockets meaning that you don't need to reload as often. It also kills rather quickly as two rockets can spell disaster to someone who isn't paying attention. Sniper Rifle, yeah it's the Bolt Action but remember what I said, a pro using it would be deadly from across the map. I could go on, but understand that Event weapons are not the "best" weaponry to use. Any weapon can be decent or good or even brilliant in matches if people just practice with them. Try out new weapons, have fun. Stop thinking about the objective too much. Team VS mode and Free For All should not be taken seriously so much when an event is not active. Just experiment, don't rely on the most OP weapons out there because then the game isn't fun. You will not be having fun if you do the same things every time you play. Think before you buy because as you all know, every weapon, every armour, every gadget can be countered. Even by cash weapons. So think about this one last time, do you really think this game is a Pay To Win game even though everything you buy doesn't actually help you in the future? Comment down below if you wish to continue this matter. But by what I've said I don't see why people should even consider this game to be Pay To Win. By being smart you will be the one who wins the game at the end of the day, not the person who wastes their money on IAP's. Thank you for reading if you did.